Topic: Top Foods that are Aging
Hi everyone and welcome back to the Thursday Q &A show. Today we’re going to be talking about top foods to avoid that are depleted and aging to your body and great replacements. Now, I don’t always want to focus on negativity or things that we don’t want, but in order to live to our fullest potential to tap into our highest health and wellness and awakening our hearts more and more, it’s important that we know what to avoid because there’s a lot of things out there that purport themselves to be health foods and they’re not. There’s a lot of confusing information. So today we’re going to go through some research and some of the top foods that I feel are really important for us to know about and to avoid.
Episode Summary
Kimberly Snyder discusses the top foods to avoid for better health and aging, emphasizing the importance of understanding how certain foods can deplete our bodies. She highlights the negative impacts of seed oils, sugar, processed carbohydrates, dairy, and excessive meat consumption, while advocating for a more plant-based diet and healthier alternatives. The discussion is rooted in the connection between diet, heart health, and overall well-being, encouraging listeners to make informed food choices for a healthier lifestyle.
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Episode Chapters
00:00 Introduction to Health and Aging Foods
03:12 Understanding Depletive Foods
06:04 The Impact of Seed and Vegetable Oils
08:57 The Dangers of Sugar
11:52 Processed Carbohydrates and Their Effects
16:14 The Controversy of Dairy Consumption
19:58 The Role of Meat in Our Diet
27:06 Conclusion and Dietary Recommendations
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Kimberly Snyder (00:00.738)
Hi everyone and welcome back to the Thursday Q &A show. Today we’re going to be talking about top foods to avoid that are depleted and aging to your body and great replacements. Now, I don’t always want to focus on negativity or things that we don’t want, but in order to live to our fullest potential to tap into our highest health and wellness and awakening our hearts more and more, it’s important that we know
what to avoid because there’s a lot of things out there that purport themselves to be health foods and they’re not. There’s a lot of confusing information. So today we’re going to go through some research and some of the top foods that I feel are really important for us to know about and to avoid. Now, having gone through this recent book launch, which is still very much alive, I hope that you have checked out the hidden power of the five hearts.
my new book, if you haven’t, please check it out now wherever books are sold. But for me, going through that book launch, going on so many podcasts, doing so many different things, I did feel my schedule was off a little bit. And when our schedules are off, it’s important to re -center. All energies intersect, everything affects everything else. And so I’ve been focusing a lot on my heart and heart coherence, but it takes us back to our four cornerstones, food,
body, emotional well -being, and spiritual growth. Food is a really fundamental way to support our bodies and to bring about this greater energy and centeredness that really does support your growing steady heart, right? Having more of an anchor within yourself emotionally, what we’re eating and physically taking into our body definitely has an effect. So I’m so excited to dive in.
A little reminder, the show notes will be over at mysaluna .com. I’ve already mentioned the book, which I’m so excited to share with you, The Hidden Power of the Five Hearts. Please check it out now wherever books are sold. And over on our website as well, you can get the meditation tracks. You can check out more about our amazing Saluna products, including our new Glowing Greens powder, which is such a wonderful way to enhance your vitality.
Kimberly Snyder (02:19.692)
drink on a daily basis to support your heart awakening and your overall energy. It’s full of seven really powerful plants. Okay. All that being said, let’s go to our question today who comes from Erin in London. Erin, thank you so much for being part of our show and contributing and sending you much love over there to the UK. And you write, sending love from the UK. Congrats on your new book.
I have heard that some foods can be very taxing and aging on the body. What are they and what are alternatives for replacing them in my diet? So first of all, thank you, Erin, my love. And secondly, when we’re talking about aging, we’re literally talking about the breakdown of your organs, which is happening internally and manifesting externally. So it’s not that we’re scared of aging or that we want to be the same as
You know, our whole lives is how we looked when we were 16, but there’s very real health and wellness consequences to having foods that inflame us, break down. If something’s breaking down the collagen in our skin, as we’ll talk about in our show today, it is doing that on the inside of your body. And it could be creating cardiovascular issues. It could be creating all sorts of things in your body. So I’ve always talked about beauty and wellness.
from the inside out. And this includes with all our conversations around heart coherence, how we really allow this inner stability and inner health to manifest through our words, our thoughts, our actions, including what we eat. So let’s get into some of the foods again that we want to avoid. And then on a positive note, what we can replace them with. So the first thing I want to talk about is seed and vegetable oils.
And these oils, not talking about the seeds themselves, but the oils that are extracted and refined and processed in high temperatures include soybean, corn, canola, sunflower oil, and safflower oil. Now the problem with these oils is number one, they are super pervasive. You will see them in packaged foods, even ones that are labeled as healthy.
Kimberly Snyder (04:35.864)
things like protein bars and certain snack foods and crackers, even pasta sauce. They’re pretty pervasive because they are inexpensive to make. And so they’re used in the food supply for those reasons, not for our health reasons. They’re also unstable. They are made primarily of polyunsaturated omega -6 fatty acids. When a 2018 systematic review in the Journal of Prostaglandin
prostaglandins, leukotrienes, and essential fatty acids, it’s quite a journal name, found that a high intake of these omega -6 fatty acids led to increased inflammation in the body. So the types of oils in particular that we’re taking in can be unstable and create this oxidative stress. When this is happening, when we are ingesting these foods, they literally start to wear down and inflame and create damage.
in our bodily cells. This is why it’s so important to be aware of this food group. Now, another study from 2010 in the Journal of Free Radical Biology in Medicine found that these oxidized fatty acids were found to develop arterial atherosclerosis. I’ve always had trouble with that word. Basically cardiovascular issues, right? So
back to heart health in all its forms, heart coherence, emotional intelligence, foods that are supporting your heart, which is the center of our being. It’s the main biological oscillator in the body. These inflammatory foods are damaging these very organs that we rely on and that we need for our full wellbeing. So these, again, I can’t say enough how much you want to be on the lookout for these seed oils. We actually did a full podcast
with a respected researcher and author that we will link to in the show notes. And her book was called Dark Calories and it was all about seed oils. So we’ll link to that as well. But for today’s show, the main thing is I want you to be aware that these are oils to avoid. I want you to start checking labels and seeing what foods happen to have these oils. Number three, just remember as much as possible,
Kimberly Snyder (07:01.762)
to eat simply and to cook from scratch. My family uses very simple, we eat a lot of bowls. Last night for dinner, we had a mixed vegetable lentil soup with ginger and brown rice. This is a very typical meal in my home. And then we can use the oils that we want to use, such as avocado oil, coconut oil, which is stable at high temperatures. And for salads and dressings, you can use extra virgin olive oil.
Now, besides these oils, which we still want to use in moderate amounts, I’m a big fan of whole fats because it’s the extraction process and fragmenting foods and moving them from whole foods into, you know, forms within what they actually started out as that creates a lot of, just breakdown in the foods themselves, which then of course, break down our bodies. So seeds are great.
Seed oils are very delicate and not so great, but I’m a huge fan of massaging avocados into salads, especially our Dharma kale salad. I love walnuts. I’m a huge fan of pecans and adding sunflower seeds to salads and all these wonderful ways that we can get healthy fats, which are important, but not from these oxidative oils. So the next food that I want to talk about is sugar.
And there’s a lot of conversation around sugar, but it’s so important to realize how very damaging it is and how it can be hidden in a lot of foods. So I want to talk about specifically cane sugar, high fructose corn syrup. For example, I was shocked to learn how much sugar there is in Thai food. So there’s the obvious cookies and ice cream and so on. But when I took a vegan Thai
class, cooking class, there is sugar in all of the curries, all of the, you know, just all of the recipes basically. So it’s not that we want to avoid these restaurants altogether, but we want to be aware that our sugar intake can actually be a lot higher than we realize. There are even, you know, grocery stores and places now in LA that I noticed started labeling their sushi. My kids love avocado rolls.
Kimberly Snyder (09:26.552)
started labeling sugar -free sushi rice because there can even be sugar in sushi rice. There’s sugar added into pasta sauce. There’s sugar added into so many things. So once again, we wanna check labels. We wanna start to become aware of how pervasive sugar is. A 2004 study in the Journal of Health Affairs showed how high sugar consumption is linked to obesity, insulin resistance, and metabolic diseases. Furthermore,
back to the systemic ways in which food affects us. A study in the Journal of Dermal Endocrinology showed that sugars directly contribute to skin aging through the formation of advanced glycation end products, AGEs. So when we’re talking about skin and back to aging, it’s not just on the surface, we all wanna look good, but our skin and how the quality of our complexion
can directly show certain things that are going on in our body and the quality of our diet and our nutrition. So that being said, naturally our bodies crave sweets and sweet, a sweet taste. And this is part of the Ayurvedic system of total balance. There’s six different tastes and Madura is Sanskrit for sweetness. That is one of the tastes. So sometimes I would work with clients.
who tried to avoid all fruit and there was no sugar. And it would come out in different ways. Some of them would be eating all protein, some vegetables, but no fruit and no this and no that. And these were the people that would often want to have enormous cheat days or they would resort to certain substances to sort of feel soothed. And this is because this is a direct impact of imbalance.
So yes, refined sugars are something we want to avoid, but I’m a huge believer in eating whole fruit. My kids have whole fruit every day. It’s part of their lunches I pack. I eat whole fruit every day. It’s in my glowing green smoothie. I also love tropical fruit personally. We have a lot of pineapple and mangoes. I love berries, blueberries, strawberries, all sorts of fruit, but it’s such a complete nutritional package.
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I had a discussion about fruit a couple months ago with Dr. William Lee, who’s an amazing biochemist and author. And I will link to the show notes as well for his book. Fruit was the first food group that he mentioned in his book. So we can satisfy our sweet cravings with fruit. We can also use in moderation, honey, raw honey. We grow raw honey on our farm in Hawaii. We absolutely love it. I think that there’s some medicinal qualities.
for immunity and with B vitamins in raw honey. Of course, we don’t wanna use huge amounts, but in moderation, as well as maple syrup even, which has some minerals and B vitamins. Now I’m talking small amounts and not all day every day. And if you do have blood sugar issues, these are foods you would still wanna avoid in the meantime. And you could even stick to low sugar fruit like acai and blueberries in the meantime. And that’s what I did when I was rebalancing.
my bloating and my yeast issues inside, but over time I was able to enjoy whole fruit, which I do every day to this day. Now the next food group is similar, but I want to call it out in this world where there’s so many processed carbs and I’m talking about flowers, breads, crackers, and this can be true for even some of the lower
I want to say like lower quality gluten -free products, which can still be quite inflammatory in the body. So for instance, a 2018 study in the Journal of Science and Politics of Nutrition found that there was a link between types of carbohydrates and having these rapidly digestible, high glycemic index carbohydrates. This was part of obesity, part of cardio metabolic disease.
it doesn’t function well in our body, which is meant to consume whole foods. Another study from the same year, 2018, and the Journal of Nutrients found a link between high glycemic index diets and foods. So again, we’re talking about chronic disease, we’re talking about gaining weight, obesity, so on and so forth. just when you look over your diet, what a good thing to do is to think about replacing
Kimberly Snyder (14:18.294)
some of these carbs with higher quality. So we do eat bread in my family, but we love heirloom sourdough breads. We eat crackers, but I like to get the seed and nut based crackers. So there’s a lot of those beautiful foods in them versus just, you know, wheat based crackers or even just brown rice based.
crackers or again, some of these flowers that can be a bit inflammatory. then carbs are important. I want to say this as well. I talk about this with my friend Dan Butener, who’s been on here several times in the blue zones, they eat carbs, but they eat a lot of sweet potatoes. You the purple sweet potato is a high, a part of the traditional Okinawan diet. They eat
They eat sourdough bread, they eat rice, they eat quinoa, they eat these wonderful carbohydrates, which I believe are meant to be part of our diet as well. Now everybody has a different body type. Some people, like my husband says, he doesn’t do as well with grains. He still has some grains, but he does much better with sweet potatoes and more carbohydrate rich vegetables. So you wanna play around with this, but we’re talking about our overall balance.
We’re talking about having energy and feeling in our centeredness and our power, which again, will support our joy and will support our fulfillment in life. You know, the name of our show is the Feel Good Podcast. Feeling in touch with our authentic self, feeling in touch with our heart, feeling connected, feeling kind, feeling loving, instead of rushing through the day and having all these energy crashes. We’re meant to have a diet that’s in balance. And so the next food I want to call out is dairy.
And dairy is something that has been going down a lot in terms of sales, especially in the United States where I live. There’s a lot of alternatives out there. There’s a lot of reasons for avoiding dairy. And again, not, it’s not one size fits all. You may enjoy some dairy, maybe dairy works better in your body, but for the majority of humans, it can be inflammatory. It can be bloating. can be difficult to digest.
Kimberly Snyder (16:41.4)
I won’t say the majority, I’ll say varying levels, many. Now it’s funny because I have all these different books for my kids. I’m sure you do as well, these different board books. We have Chilla Gorilla, of course, which is a kid’s book I wrote about connecting to the heart. Recently, we were actually reading it in the car this morning, or the kids were reading it in the back of the car on the way to school. We also have books on around farms and trucks, right? And literally two days ago,
I was reading my younger son a book around farm, a farm, and there was a farmer milking a cow. And he started to ask me questions about it. And I explained to him, you know, you know, the most basic terms, animals or mammals make milk. And this cow is producing milk that’s meant to be for the baby cows. And as a species, when humans take the cows, the milk of another animal,
We’re doing something that’s counterintuitive in nature because it doesn’t happen in different species. The monkeys aren’t drinking the milk of the hippos, know, whatever it is. So there’s a natural flow to the circadian rhythms. There’s a natural flow to foods that we consume that are abundant and bioavailable to us, the fruits and the vegetables, the things that we are able to.
consume when we are in the wild, we’re able to pick the fruit from the trees. So just from an energetic standpoint, from a natural standpoint, you can see why there would be issues in consuming dairy from a, know, again, just the laws of nature. And one of the things that we find is that a 2019 study in the Journal of Clinical Nutrition found a positive relationship between dairy consumption and acne and other skin problems.
Now I point this study out specifically in thousands of studies around dairy these days, because our skin is an eliminative organ and it does give a picture into how well we are metabolizing and digesting foods. What we’re putting in our body can manifest through the skin. if we, for instance, let’s say there’s a fragrance or some type of body care product or even a laundry detergent product that doesn’t work.
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we start to get rashes, our skin starts to react. If we smell something that doesn’t work well, we can have a sort of allergic reaction on the skin. And acne is a way that our body is saying, hey, there’s something clogging in these foods. We’re not able to cleanly digest them. So now it’s getting pushed out through the skin. So this study measured total milk, whole milk, low fat, skim milk.
So it wasn’t about the amount of fat in the milk. It was something to do with the constitution of the milk and the actual proteins and the structure of the milk, which is made of whey and casein that is difficult for many to digest. Now, on top of that, a recent study from this year, 2024, in the Journal of Bioscience found that the way that milk is processed leads to structural modification in its components, which leads to inflammation. And this is particularly true with high temperature
Ultra -high temperature pasteurization, which makes milk safe and shelf stable. Now, of course, some people will say, well, I get raw milk from the local farm, or I get this kind of milk or this type of milk, and that is better in this regard. But it doesn’t change the fact that there are certain sugars and proteins and structure of milk can be very difficult because it’s made for a different species of animal.
So something to consider, again, it doesn’t have to be all or nothing. I’m not here to say never have any dairy. You some bodies do better with it than others, but there are great alternatives. And I want to point out the ones that I love the most are coconut milk, which I use a lot in my curries and my cooking and certain smoothies for my kids. I love hemp milk. It’s easy to make hemp milk with hemp seeds because you don’t have to strain it afterwards.
I love almond milk, I love macadamia nut milk, and I love Brazil nut milk. I do not like oat milk, which I feel is a low -nutrient milk, and it often contains seed oils. We love the Kite Hill cream cheese, which is an almond milk -based cream cheese. My kids love it. We love the Miyoko’s butter, which is a brand of butter that’s made of cashews and coconut. It does have a small amount of, I believe it’s…
Kimberly Snyder (21:27.956)
sunflower seed oil, but it’s a much lower ingredient and it’s a really great butter replacement if you’re using butter for anything. There is the Shremyu cheese products now. There’s a lot of great brands out there if you’re a dairy lover. So I encourage you to check these out and look at labels. But those are a couple brands that I really love and then I digest them well. It doesn’t affect my skin. I can feel really good about eating them.
So it’s something to consider as well. Now, the last category, I saved this for last because we’re talking about depletive foods. We’re talking about foods that can tax you and eat you. We’re not talking about foods that are gonna give you quick weight loss. So this last food category is excessive meat consumption and especially processed meats and red meats. Now, I know that there is a lot of discussion these days around
high meat diets, carnivore diets, the lion diet, where there’s very little fiber, very little, if any, vegetables are consumed. And some people are saying, you know, this is helping me lose weight. This is helping me, you know, in the short term with various issues. But here we’re talking about vitality, right? Our feel good saloon community is all about holistic well -being. And I really feel that plants
and having a large plant -based diet for one, it’s going to give you more micronutrients, it’s gonna give you more fiber to enable the other brain, your gut brain, to function in its peak and to give you that energy and that continual cleansing and allowing inflammation to reduce in your body because of the short chain fatty acids, which are nourished from a fiber rich diet in your gut.
On the other hand, there is a lot of research in this way. Now there’s people now saying, you know, we think about cholesterol differently and red meat actually isn’t that bad for you. But on the other hand, there are over 15 ,000 studies saying the opposite. And we’ve had doctors on here like Dr. Michael Greger, who has an incredible tome, really his latest book, How Not to Age. I’m looking at it right now over on my bookshelf.
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has thousands of these references. I highly recommend you listen to that podcast. I highly recommend that we had together. We talked about specific studies that I felt were important to call out. There was, and one of the studies, by the way, I will say it here, was around green smoothies, like our beloved glowing green smoothie, showing that it was one of the fastest ways, and in medical history, the fastest dietary way to drink green smoothies to reduce
CRP, which C reactive protein, which is a form of a measurable way to look at inflammation in the body. So there is a lot that implicates meat in aging and disease, including the fact that here I had it here, the study in Lancet Oncology Cancer Journal from 2015 actually classifies processed meat as a carcinogen.
So they’re putting meat in the same category as cigarettes and other things that are known to cause cancer. I mean, it’s a pretty serious thing. The study of Meat Science Journal from 2010 discusses the link between high red meat consumption and increased inflammation and cardiovascular risk. So again, our community is not all or nothing.
If you do like to eat some meat and some animal products, you are more than welcome here. I live with a, with a omnivore. My husband eats meat. Me and the kids do not. But one thing I know for my husband is I want to give him green smoothies every day. I make sure he’s having salads every night for dinner, as many vegetables as possible because of these reasons, because it’s not all or nothing. And because,
for me as well, and I’ll share this personally. When I was bloated and full of acne and I was looking for solutions, I started to learn about a plant -based way of eating because of the fiber, because of the cleansing components. And I was also traveling around the world. And when I went to India and started learning about the Vedic teachings and the ancient teachings and about yoga and meditation,
Kimberly Snyder (26:08.726)
The reason that these incredible yogis were teaching to eat a vegetarian diet was not to lose weight or not to look good, but for spiritual energetic reasons. So in the Hidden Power, the five hearts, the fifth heart stage is known as the clear heart, right? So the first heart is the dark heart, which is dense. There’s old reactivity. There’s denseness in the body. So we feel weighed down. As we cleanse our system, everything works together. So the yogis believed as we ate lighter, more plant -based.
we were able to nurture our meditation practice and to feel lighter and also to awaken our hearts more. Everything works together. So one of the major reasons I also became fully plant -based was to enable my meditation practice to grow, to feel lighter spiritually and emotionally and mentally. And I can say with personal experience that has helped me tremendously. So.
It’s not about all or nothing, but remember that all energy ultimately intersects into this total package of you, all the layers. So how we’re eating does have a profound effect on our hearts, on our emotional state, on our relationships, everything adds up. And so these great yogis from Yogananda to Swami Sri Yukteswar to
Nimbabwe to I mean such a Denanda I mean goes on and on these great ones have pretty universally taught to eat a vegetarian diet. anyways, if you do want to keep eating meat, you know, that is your choice. Love you support you. But also I would recommend working in some non meat meals at least, especially since there’s such great options now with
lentils and legumes and beans, right? Huge component of the Blue Zones. Our dear friend Dan Buehner talks about beans so much. There’s also tempeh, not organic, non -GMO tofu, which my family loves. Another component of the Blue Zones and traditionally made tofu can be really wonderful if you don’t have a soy allergy. There’s also just eating lots of seeds and nuts and vegetables like broccoli has in Brussels sprouts. These foods also contain protein.
Kimberly Snyder (28:33.546)
I also will say that I’m happy that some of these meat alternative companies, which are processed and they’re not meant to be eaten three times a day every day, like the Beyond Meats, but they’re there four times that you want a veggie burger that tastes like something you might remember as a child or whatever. I’ve noticed that they switched to avocado oil. So they’ve definitely reduced seed oils, which is one of the criticisms of some of those foods. So you can look for some of those.
new newer upgrades to the packaged foods that you may like. All right, so I hope that this gives you some food for thought some ways you might want to shift your diet upgrade your diet. Want to move away from seed oils into oils like, well, first of all, whole fats and also avocado, coconut and extra virgin olive oil. We want to move away from sugars like cane sugar, high fructose corn syrup into more whole fruit.
to satisfy your sweet cravings, which are natural and part of our makeup, according to Ayurveda, as well as some more raw honey and monk fruit is great as well. It adds a little bit of balance to our Glow -in -Greens powder. It’s also good for digestion. And maple syrup. We wanna avoid processed carbs, move into whole carbs and higher quality heirloom.
like sourdough bread varieties, which are made with a starter. We want to reduce dairy, which can be inflammatory. It can be disruptive to our skin, clogging, and replace it with nut milks like almond milk and hemp milk and coconut milk and amazing cheeses that are made from these types of milks. We want to reduce excessive meat consumption and think about adding just more beautiful plant -based meals.
and use lentils or tempeh and some of the beans as protein alternatives. So thank you so much for tuning in with me today. Keep your questions coming. We love to hear from you. I’m here to support you always on this journey, which keeps deepening and unfolding. And once again, please check out the Hidden Power of the Five Hearts because heart and heart coherence really ties together so many aspects of our lifestyle.
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And I think you’ll enjoy the book very much. It’s definitely the tools and teachings in the book have definitely completely changed my life. And while you’re at it, please check out our other amazing offerings at mysaloona .com, including our amazing SBO probiotic. Gut health is key for heart health and vitality and our glowing greens powder. We will be back here Monday as always with our next interview show.
Until then, take care and sending you so much love and so much gratitude.